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	<title>Comments on: Angel vs. Edward: Joss Whedon Weighs In On Twilight</title>
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		<title>By: Katey Kettell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katey Kettell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2011 23:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>angel would beat the sparkles out of edward because angel is way stronger than edward and older so he has been fighting longer also angel has spike,BUFFY(who i mite mention is the slayer and is twenty times stronger than edward and angel combined!),willow,faith,zander,and more on his side and edward has pretty much seven copies of him and a mental girl who wants to be a vampire.personally angel is completely better than edward,mostly because edward is girly and all he does is sparkle.what vamp does that anyway?everyone knows real vampires don&#039;t sparkle!!!!
p.s angel and buffy 4ever!!!1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>angel would beat the sparkles out of edward because angel is way stronger than edward and older so he has been fighting longer also angel has spike,BUFFY(who i mite mention is the slayer and is twenty times stronger than edward and angel combined!),willow,faith,zander,and more on his side and edward has pretty much seven copies of him and a mental girl who wants to be a vampire.personally angel is completely better than edward,mostly because edward is girly and all he does is sparkle.what vamp does that anyway?everyone knows real vampires don&#8217;t sparkle!!!!<br />
p.s angel and buffy 4ever!!!1</p>
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		<title>By: kak</title>
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		<dc:creator>kak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2011 21:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Angel all the way in any playing field (Buffyverse or Twilight or both from their own). Sure Angel can&#039;t go in the sun or get staked (and that&#039;s only if you are going off the tv shows where they get staked they turn to dust, or the movie where they get staked or head cut off then they have to be set om fire or they will come back to life) but he is stronger than Edward is (Angelus or not). Edward can run fast and read minds (which wont work on Angel anyway) but I don&#039;t think that that will stop Angel, he has dealt with bigger things than just something something quick, like the dragon that he kept as a pet and named Cordelia, or any of the hellmouth or apocalypse beasts. Also Angel has so many things on his side (the Scoobies, the slayers, the Powers that be, Wolf Ram and Hart, and Angel Investigations just to name a few) Edward only has the Cullens and Bella (who can&#039;t do anything anyway).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Angel all the way in any playing field (Buffyverse or Twilight or both from their own). Sure Angel can&#8217;t go in the sun or get staked (and that&#8217;s only if you are going off the tv shows where they get staked they turn to dust, or the movie where they get staked or head cut off then they have to be set om fire or they will come back to life) but he is stronger than Edward is (Angelus or not). Edward can run fast and read minds (which wont work on Angel anyway) but I don&#8217;t think that that will stop Angel, he has dealt with bigger things than just something something quick, like the dragon that he kept as a pet and named Cordelia, or any of the hellmouth or apocalypse beasts. Also Angel has so many things on his side (the Scoobies, the slayers, the Powers that be, Wolf Ram and Hart, and Angel Investigations just to name a few) Edward only has the Cullens and Bella (who can&#8217;t do anything anyway).</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2011 04:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HAHAHAHA. NEVER EVER compare Edward to Angel. He will NEVER surpass Angel. Angel is the baddest bad guy out there, by far. I don&#039;t know how anyone could dare compare them. So, heed my advice any fools out there DON&#039;T ever compare them again. There are other fans out there who would have a worse response about this than I have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HAHAHAHA. NEVER EVER compare Edward to Angel. He will NEVER surpass Angel. Angel is the baddest bad guy out there, by far. I don&#8217;t know how anyone could dare compare them. So, heed my advice any fools out there DON&#8217;T ever compare them again. There are other fans out there who would have a worse response about this than I have.</p>
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		<title>By: sidney</title>
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		<dc:creator>sidney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2011 03:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Angel all the way...I know Edward is industructable or whatever but a vampire can kill another vampire in the Twilight world and its not likely that Edward would know Angel can be killed with a wooden stake in the Twilight world...and Angel is just...better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Angel all the way&#8230;I know Edward is industructable or whatever but a vampire can kill another vampire in the Twilight world and its not likely that Edward would know Angel can be killed with a wooden stake in the Twilight world&#8230;and Angel is just&#8230;better.</p>
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		<title>By: Voice of Reason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Voice of Reason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 00:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You guys are looking way to far into this. Dissecting each and everyone one of their individual abilities and comparing them is a complete waste of time; why? Because all of these statements are arbitrary in and of themselves and are unable to be compared as a result of their separate nature.

Now, let&#039;s re-read Whedon&#039;s statement, and, instead of thinking about a physical match between the two, think of their strength as CHARACTERS. In all honesty, Angel&#039;s character could kick Edward&#039;s into oblivion. Angel&#039;s a badass. He&#039;s dark. Gorgeous. Edward just kind of reminds me of... A wet noodle. He can&#039;t ever make up his mind. Physical strength aside, Angel is just so much better than Edward.

And the two series as a whole? Not even a close one, there. Buffy&#039;s strong, independent, and makes it quite clear that she doesn&#039;t always need Angel&#039;s help. Bella&#039;s just... Again, a wet noodle. There really is no competition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys are looking way to far into this. Dissecting each and everyone one of their individual abilities and comparing them is a complete waste of time; why? Because all of these statements are arbitrary in and of themselves and are unable to be compared as a result of their separate nature.</p>
<p>Now, let&#8217;s re-read Whedon&#8217;s statement, and, instead of thinking about a physical match between the two, think of their strength as CHARACTERS. In all honesty, Angel&#8217;s character could kick Edward&#8217;s into oblivion. Angel&#8217;s a badass. He&#8217;s dark. Gorgeous. Edward just kind of reminds me of&#8230; A wet noodle. He can&#8217;t ever make up his mind. Physical strength aside, Angel is just so much better than Edward.</p>
<p>And the two series as a whole? Not even a close one, there. Buffy&#8217;s strong, independent, and makes it quite clear that she doesn&#8217;t always need Angel&#8217;s help. Bella&#8217;s just&#8230; Again, a wet noodle. There really is no competition.</p>
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		<title>By: Rockstar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rockstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2011 03:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It all comes down to what universe this epic fight takes place in.  For instance; if Edward is pulled into the Buffyverse then he becomes a standard vamp and Angel would beat his ass.  Of course if Angel is shoved into the Twilightverse then Angel becomes a twilight Vamp... and then Angel would really beat Edward&#039;s ass.  I mean like hard core, mess that guy for making him sparkly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It all comes down to what universe this epic fight takes place in.  For instance; if Edward is pulled into the Buffyverse then he becomes a standard vamp and Angel would beat his ass.  Of course if Angel is shoved into the Twilightverse then Angel becomes a twilight Vamp&#8230; and then Angel would really beat Edward&#8217;s ass.  I mean like hard core, mess that guy for making him sparkly.</p>
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		<title>By: Cancel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cancel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, I don&#039;t count the comics as they&#039;re not the original medium - I am aware Joss had direct input into them - but then Joss has an often visited tendency to totally retcon events in both original series. So, no, I don&#039;t consider them. Sorry. Canon is the original series. Any post-series super additions to character&#039;s abilities (probably made so Whedon can say his stuff is better anyway) are moot.

My comparison is against the Edward in the books and Angel in the TV series (not sure what Robert Pattinson has to do with it seeing as no one brought up David Boreanaz).

By virtue of the Jossverse vampires having to be vulnerable to a Slayer attack they possess weaknesses that the Cullens DON&#039;T possess. They are also not as physically impervious as the Twilight vampires.

As someone said above, the Jossverse vampires&#039; weaknesses would even up the advantage given by Angel&#039;s battle experience. And still, all you need is a decapitation, direct sunlight, crosses/holy water/religious mages, or a piece of wood to the heart.

If a Slayer can beat Angel, given that Edward&#039;s faster, and more physically impervious, so can Edward. It&#039;s that simple. Edward would beat Buffy in a fight because he can&#039;t be dusted, and he doesn&#039;t physically tire. Sparkles are purely superficial. But if you want to mention that: he&#039;d beat the both and look prettier doing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, I don&#8217;t count the comics as they&#8217;re not the original medium &#8211; I am aware Joss had direct input into them &#8211; but then Joss has an often visited tendency to totally retcon events in both original series. So, no, I don&#8217;t consider them. Sorry. Canon is the original series. Any post-series super additions to character&#8217;s abilities (probably made so Whedon can say his stuff is better anyway) are moot.</p>
<p>My comparison is against the Edward in the books and Angel in the TV series (not sure what Robert Pattinson has to do with it seeing as no one brought up David Boreanaz).</p>
<p>By virtue of the Jossverse vampires having to be vulnerable to a Slayer attack they possess weaknesses that the Cullens DON&#8217;T possess. They are also not as physically impervious as the Twilight vampires.</p>
<p>As someone said above, the Jossverse vampires&#8217; weaknesses would even up the advantage given by Angel&#8217;s battle experience. And still, all you need is a decapitation, direct sunlight, crosses/holy water/religious mages, or a piece of wood to the heart.</p>
<p>If a Slayer can beat Angel, given that Edward&#8217;s faster, and more physically impervious, so can Edward. It&#8217;s that simple. Edward would beat Buffy in a fight because he can&#8217;t be dusted, and he doesn&#8217;t physically tire. Sparkles are purely superficial. But if you want to mention that: he&#8217;d beat the both and look prettier doing it.</p>
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		<title>By: Cancel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cancel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This seems rather silly. It seems like Mr Whedon is trying to weigh in on a popular fandom and render his creations superior to them - because, of course, nothing anybody else does is as good as what he&#039;s done. [/sarcasm]

Getting on to the question at hand, it&#039;s interesting that the people claiming Angel would win don&#039;t seem to site anything more then general &#039;badassery&#039; as a reason.

Sure, Angelus was a very devious killer but he used that largely against humans. He does have extensive weapons and battle experience - hundreds of years worth - but that&#039;s about it. In terms of weaknesses/disadvantages, he has a LOT that Edward (or any of the Cullens) don&#039;t have: he can be destroyed by direct sunight, he is deflected by crosses, scalded by holy water, and most pertinently will be dusted by a stake through the heart. He also has to be invited before he can enter a property or car. Add to this that the removal of any body part is permanent and irreversible, and cannot be re-attached.

Now on the other hand you have Edward: the sun, crosses, holy water, religious mages have NO EFFECT on him; removal of limbs, even the removal of the head can be reattached; only really vulnerable to fire and that&#039;s if he can be dismembered first. He&#039;s also - from what had been depicted visually and stated in the books - extremely fast (fastest of all the Cullens), blink and you&#039;ll miss it fast. Angel has never been depicted as moving that quickly, because even more pertinently, if he did move that fast it would also be depicted that the Slayer moves equally fast or faster. This has NEVER happened. The Slayer can be trained by a Watcher - a human - and while her reflexes are very fast they&#039;re nowhere near as fast as the Twilight vampires. Remember, Buffy had to merge with essence of the Original Slayer and her friends to beat Adam, and Edward and Adam - in terms of physical imperviousness - I&#039;d still say Edward (diamond being harder than any known metal) edges him out. Again, if you want to retcon that to say both the Slayer and Jossverse vampires can move at the speed that the Cullens can then there are other advantages that Edward has: namely, he&#039;s a mind reader, and has diamond hard skin.

It can be argued that Edward wouldn&#039;t be able to read Angel&#039;s mind, as Buffy couldn&#039;t in Earshot. Apparently casting no reflection extends to thoughts too. But even so Edward being as hard as diamonds, literally and being as fast as he is, gives him a distinct advantage over Angel, who only has to be staked or thrown into the sun to be destroyed. Sum up the vulnerabilities Angel has that Edward just doesn&#039;t and that&#039;s the key to the likely winner.

You&#039;d be reaching of you said it rendered them even based on that but even if it did, frankly, in a fight all Edward would have to do is reach into Angel&#039;s chest and rip out his heart or just rip off his head and there you have a pile of dust.

Angel by virtue of the universe he&#039;s in has to be vulnerable to a Slayer&#039;s attack in ways that Edward being in his universe just ISN&#039;T.

Edward does more than sparkle, in fact, the REASON he&#039;s sparkles is more to the point. Or let me put it this way, Edward has physical attributes that render him stronger than a Slayer; Buffy has put down Angel on more than one occasion so it&#039;s more than likely that Edward would, if he and Angel were anything more than complete works of FICTION.

So you can say that Angel would kick Edward&#039;s ass but that would require Edward to stand there doing nothing but sparkling. I really doubt that.

But, the real question in all this is: is Joss Whedon really so needy that he has to continually proclaim his creations better than everyone else? I&#039;d like to hope not, but history says otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This seems rather silly. It seems like Mr Whedon is trying to weigh in on a popular fandom and render his creations superior to them &#8211; because, of course, nothing anybody else does is as good as what he&#8217;s done. [/sarcasm]</p>
<p>Getting on to the question at hand, it&#8217;s interesting that the people claiming Angel would win don&#8217;t seem to site anything more then general &#8216;badassery&#8217; as a reason.</p>
<p>Sure, Angelus was a very devious killer but he used that largely against humans. He does have extensive weapons and battle experience &#8211; hundreds of years worth &#8211; but that&#8217;s about it. In terms of weaknesses/disadvantages, he has a LOT that Edward (or any of the Cullens) don&#8217;t have: he can be destroyed by direct sunight, he is deflected by crosses, scalded by holy water, and most pertinently will be dusted by a stake through the heart. He also has to be invited before he can enter a property or car. Add to this that the removal of any body part is permanent and irreversible, and cannot be re-attached.</p>
<p>Now on the other hand you have Edward: the sun, crosses, holy water, religious mages have NO EFFECT on him; removal of limbs, even the removal of the head can be reattached; only really vulnerable to fire and that&#8217;s if he can be dismembered first. He&#8217;s also &#8211; from what had been depicted visually and stated in the books &#8211; extremely fast (fastest of all the Cullens), blink and you&#8217;ll miss it fast. Angel has never been depicted as moving that quickly, because even more pertinently, if he did move that fast it would also be depicted that the Slayer moves equally fast or faster. This has NEVER happened. The Slayer can be trained by a Watcher &#8211; a human &#8211; and while her reflexes are very fast they&#8217;re nowhere near as fast as the Twilight vampires. Remember, Buffy had to merge with essence of the Original Slayer and her friends to beat Adam, and Edward and Adam &#8211; in terms of physical imperviousness &#8211; I&#8217;d still say Edward (diamond being harder than any known metal) edges him out. Again, if you want to retcon that to say both the Slayer and Jossverse vampires can move at the speed that the Cullens can then there are other advantages that Edward has: namely, he&#8217;s a mind reader, and has diamond hard skin.</p>
<p>It can be argued that Edward wouldn&#8217;t be able to read Angel&#8217;s mind, as Buffy couldn&#8217;t in Earshot. Apparently casting no reflection extends to thoughts too. But even so Edward being as hard as diamonds, literally and being as fast as he is, gives him a distinct advantage over Angel, who only has to be staked or thrown into the sun to be destroyed. Sum up the vulnerabilities Angel has that Edward just doesn&#8217;t and that&#8217;s the key to the likely winner.</p>
<p>You&#8217;d be reaching of you said it rendered them even based on that but even if it did, frankly, in a fight all Edward would have to do is reach into Angel&#8217;s chest and rip out his heart or just rip off his head and there you have a pile of dust.</p>
<p>Angel by virtue of the universe he&#8217;s in has to be vulnerable to a Slayer&#8217;s attack in ways that Edward being in his universe just ISN&#8217;T.</p>
<p>Edward does more than sparkle, in fact, the REASON he&#8217;s sparkles is more to the point. Or let me put it this way, Edward has physical attributes that render him stronger than a Slayer; Buffy has put down Angel on more than one occasion so it&#8217;s more than likely that Edward would, if he and Angel were anything more than complete works of FICTION.</p>
<p>So you can say that Angel would kick Edward&#8217;s ass but that would require Edward to stand there doing nothing but sparkling. I really doubt that.</p>
<p>But, the real question in all this is: is Joss Whedon really so needy that he has to continually proclaim his creations better than everyone else? I&#8217;d like to hope not, but history says otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2011 19:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly ? Even IF Angel would be thrown into that Twilight Universe he&#039;d win over Edward. Why? Angel has The Powers That Be and the Senior Partners on his side, they would always bring him back. Also Edward doesen&#039;t have Angels experience. Edward might be overpowered but Angels true strenght is the beast (Angelus) within him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly ? Even IF Angel would be thrown into that Twilight Universe he&#8217;d win over Edward. Why? Angel has The Powers That Be and the Senior Partners on his side, they would always bring him back. Also Edward doesen&#8217;t have Angels experience. Edward might be overpowered but Angels true strenght is the beast (Angelus) within him.</p>
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		<title>By: Angelus fan1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angelus fan1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 16:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Angel would kick edwards butt anynight,edward does have his advantages including mind reading.angel still has way more experience and have killed thousands while edward has probably killed only 2 people and a couple of humans. Angel is way more focused and doesnt stalk. angel would win and thats the end</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Angel would kick edwards butt anynight,edward does have his advantages including mind reading.angel still has way more experience and have killed thousands while edward has probably killed only 2 people and a couple of humans. Angel is way more focused and doesnt stalk. angel would win and thats the end</p>
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